What if the next billion users of Bitcoin aren't human? In this episode, Beau Turner sits down with Shone Anstey, CEO of Liquid Technologies (LQWD) and a veteran builder from the earliest days of the internet, for a wide-ranging conversation about Bitcoin, the Lightning Network, and what happens when artificial intelligence needs money. This isn't just a conversation about Lightning payments. It's a deep dive into why Bitcoin is the eighth layer of the internet, how AI agents are already driving a spike in Lightning transactions, and why the machines are getting orange-pilled before the people. Shone brings a rare perspective: he was in the trenches during the internet's first wave in the mid-90s, and he sees Bitcoin's trajectory following the exact same arc. From building Canada's third fully licensed crypto exchange, to launching LQWD as a public Lightning Network infrastructure company, to now building AI wallets and autonomous agent networks, Shone has lived every phase of this revolution. Together, Beau and Shone unpack how the Lightning Network scales Bitcoin the same way the internet scaled itself, why computers prefer mathematical money over fiat, and why the agentic economy is the catalyst that will bring the rest of the world into Bitcoin. They also explore Treasury 2.0, the next evolution beyond simply holding Bitcoin, and what it means for business owners, public companies, and everyday people who want to get ahead of what's coming. Key topics in this conversation: • Why Bitcoin is the 8th layer of the OSI internet stack • How the Lightning Network mirrors the architecture of the internet • Why AI agents are driving a measurable spike in Lightning transactions • Streaming money, paying only for what you use, in real time • The "agentic soul", how a Lightning wallet becomes an agent's identity • Treasury 2.0: putting Bitcoin to work, not just holding it • Why machines will onboard people into Bitcoin, not the other way around • The Nakamoto Effect: how Bitcoin's trust layer hyperaccelerates network value • HTTP Error Code 402, the missing internet payment layer that Bitcoin finally fulfills • Why business owners should hold Bitcoin quietly and strategically
Timestamps
00:00 Intro: The Internet's Missing Layer
00:54 Welcome & Guest Introduction
02:03 Shone's Background & Bitcoin Journey
07:04 Why Bitcoin Feels Like the Internet Did in the 90s
08:03 Bitcoin as the 8th Layer of the OSI Stack
09:03 Why Lightning Exists
24:45 HTTP 402 — The Payment Code the Internet Was Always Missing
31:06 AI Agents & the Agentic Economy
44:20 Abundant Mines Ad
49:16 What Agents Mean for the Real World
59:35 Is Bitcoin the Ultimate Money for AI Agents?
1:05:41 Lightning's "Channels on Demand" Moment
1:11:33 Treasury 2.0 — Putting Bitcoin to Work
1:24:33 Advice for Business Owners Adding Bitcoin to Their Treasury
1:29:14 The Nakamoto Effect
About Shone Anstey:
is the CEO and Founder of LQwD FinTech Corp (TSXV: LQWD), the world's first public Bitcoin Lightning Network company, where he brings over 20 years of experience as a tech entrepreneur in regtech, analytics, data centers, and cryptocurrency.
Connect with Shone:
https://x.com/shoneanstey
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/shone-anstey
About Abundant Mines:
Abundant Mines is a U.S.-based Bitcoin mining company powered by renewable energy, focused on transparency, education, and long-term partnerships.
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